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#1 User is offline   kokonutguy

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Posted 22 September 2008 - 12:37 PM

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Greenspan's Warning

The clear gravity of the situation pushed the legislation forward. Some might say the current mess couldn't be foreseen, yet in 2005 Alan Greenspan told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. ``We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.''

What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.

Different World

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

Mounds of Materials

Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.

But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.

Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.

Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.

There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.

Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.


http://www.bloomberg...id=aSKSoiNbnQY0
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 12:46 PM

Great find, Koko!
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:04 PM

Also, another thing that's telling.

The Obama camp surrendered 4 states to McCain-Palin today. He's giving up on North Dakota, Georgia, Idaho, and Alaska. While Obama downsizes the McCain-Palin ticket opened 50 offices in California today.

http://www.sfgate.co...L&feed=rss.news

http://latimesblogs....a-campaign.html


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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:06 PM

That's a good strategy, I'd give up on these four states. Obama needs to focus on Pennsylvania and Florida.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:39 PM

Wiggums, on Sep 22 2008, 01:06 PM, said:

That's a good strategy, I'd give up on these four states.  Obama needs to focus on Pennsylvania and Florida.
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Perhaps but I think Obama has a better chance in Pennsylvannia, for the moment since the trend is declining even there, than compared to Florida.

http://www.realclear..._obama-244.html

http://www.realclear..._obama-418.html

When Bush was at the The Village for his 2004 re-election some 15,000 showed up while for Palin more than 60,000 showed up with many others being turned away because it was too crowded.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:43 PM

Everybody has their good days. McCain still has a shot in Pennsylvania - he has NO chance here in California. In fact, there's an Obama campaign office in San Juan Capistrano.

When I drove by it twice, it was empty.

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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:49 PM

Wiggums, on Sep 22 2008, 01:43 PM, said:

Everybody has their good days.  McCain still has a shot in Pennsylvania - he has NO chance here in California.  In fact, there's an Obama campaign office in San Juan Capistrano.

When I drove by it twice, it was empty.

Meh heheh.
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California one will be an interesting watch. In less than two weeks the spread went from, on average, 18 points down to now close to 12 points with Obama in the lead and that was before McCain opened up 50 offices in California today.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:51 PM

12 points is still a commanding lead for Obama. McCain is wasting his time here.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:55 PM

Wiggums, on Sep 22 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

12 points is still a commanding lead for Obama.  McCain is wasting his time here.
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Never say, never. Even California voted for a RINO governor...Ahnuld. Who says they won't vote for a RINO president, McCain?
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 02:03 PM

Arnie's a LIBERAL Republican! I had no choice here.

I am a hard-core Reagain conservative.

And he only won because many people were not too happy with Davis, a Democrat.

However, I do give Arnie points for the budget stalemate - he's not budging and I support his position. We DESPERATELY have to cut down the spending!
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 02:07 PM

Wiggums, on Sep 22 2008, 02:03 PM, said:

Arnie's a LIBERAL Republican!  I had no choice here.

I am a hard-core Reagain conservative.

And he only won because many people were not too happy with Davis, a Democrat.

However, I do give Arnie points for the budget stalemate - he's not budging and I support his position.  We DESPERATELY have to cut down the spending!
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Which is what Palin did and that is what McCain-Palin ticket proposes to do, of course. Financial accountability is the issue here.

Liberal Republican is what RINO means.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 02:17 PM

I knew I heard of RINO somewhere, but didn't understand what it meant! :) Thanks. One thing... Arnie's not a RINO when it comes to budgetary issues - kudos to him.

Palin's earmarks... with Alaska's making tons of money. That doesn't bode well with me.

A massive $11 trillion debt is not good. Obama and McCain seem to be similar in their statements about the bailout.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 02:24 PM

Wiggums, on Sep 22 2008, 02:17 PM, said:

I knew I heard of RINO somewhere, but didn't understand what it meant!  :) Thanks.  One thing... Arnie's not a RINO when it comes to budgetary issues - kudos to him.

Palin's earmarks... with Alaska's making tons of money.  That doesn't bode well with me.

A massive $11 trillion debt is not good.  Obama and McCain seem to be similar in their statements about the bailout.
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RINO means "Republican in Name Only" which means a RINO keeps siding with Democrats so much they might as well be a Democat.

She has cut down on govt expenses, including earmarks, and additional measures to boost Alaska's surplus and savings for their Alaskan citizens.

http://gov.state.ak....chive-3341.html

http://www.ontheissu...t_+_Economy.htm

How come we don't hear things like that from Obama? Or Biden for that matter?
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 02:25 PM

Actually, Obama's now prattling about fiscal responsibility and says he'll cut it 10% across the board for contractors.

Just came in today.

All will say whatever it takes to get them in the White House.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 02:35 PM

Wiggums, on Sep 22 2008, 02:25 PM, said:

Actually, Obama's now prattling about fiscal responsibility and says he'll cut it 10% across the board for contractors.

Just came in today.

All will say whatever it takes to get them in the White House.
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Well, history is going to be against Obama......and Biden.

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Greg Jarrett, Fox: You focused on two things really as I understand it, earmarks, and we will get to it in a moment, but wasteful spending talk to us about how the candidates break down on this.

Tom Schatz, CAGW: There is a long track record in both cases, some of which goes to Senator Obama in the Illinois Legislature. We do not analyze the states. But just on the votes in 2007, Senator Obama voted correctly only 10% of the time, and Senator McCain voted 11 out of the 35 times. He did vote correctly every time. His lifetime rating 88% is the sixth-highest in the Senate. Senator Obama’s lifetime rating is 18% in the years that he has been a Senator. So there is a vast difference on the question of spending and taxes and those results are consistent with other analyses and organizations that track all of these various votes.

Jarrett: Is Obama at the bottom?

Schatz: He is not quite at that the bottom. Actually, Senator Biden is at the bottom. He has a zero rating in 2007. But Senator Obama is pretty close at 10%.

Jarrett: So Biden would be the most wasteful in your judgment, and again you are a non-partisan group, would be the most wasteful Senator?

Schatz: He wasn’t the only one. There were 13 Senators with a zero rating, but he was one of those that failed to vote a single time to cut waste or cut taxes are even preserve tax cuts.

Jarrett: And again, we are out of time, but John McCain, zero earmarks. Right?

Schatz: That is it. Zero.

Jarrett: Big goose egg. I mean that is amazing in Congress.

Schatz: It is difficult to say no, but he is one of the few who has.

HA
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